Lonzo Ball is shooting 37% from the field, 33% from 3, 56% on free throws. The Pelicans are 2-18 when Lonzo plays, 4-4 when he doesn’t.
He’s averaging 10 points on 47 TS% to go with 5 ast and 4 reb with a -12 NET RTG.
I was almost fooled by the first few games of the season where Lonzo was shooting 80% from the free throw line and looked more efficient from 3. He has regressed in every statistic as the season has carried on and been relegated to the bench.
His biggest problem is still lack of aggression and confidence to get into the paint and be a scoring threat.
Do you see the Pelicans holding onto him to avoid "selling low" or potentially cutting their losses and trading him? I do think having Zion back will help him in a way, but there are still huge holes in his game that he needs to figure out ASAP.
[–][ATL] Paul Millsap Jfklikeskfc 2577 指標 1 天前
Magic really thought this guy was gonna break his records lol
[–]Lakers vino23 1130 指標 1 天前
Just another one of Magic’s terrible takes to add to the collection
[–]Lakers fbdanzai 11 指標 1 天前*
It’s a misunderstanding, Magic meant broke all his worst records
[–]NBA name_taken09 58 指標 1 天前
It’s reported that Magic wanted Fox, Jeannie Buss wanted Lonzo
[–]maynardjamesheyman 73 指標 1 天前
Fox hung 39 on Lonzo’s ass in the tournament and held him to 10 pts.
[–]Australia hello_taraa 89 指標 1 天前
A day after Lonzos mother almost died. I don’t put much value in that game
[–]Cavaliers Bandwagon Oaty_McOatface 411 指標 1 天前
Projected #2 pick
He was everyone’s vision
[–]ModeratorsareLosers 259 指標 1 天前
No he wasnt. Only people that buy into hype did. He got decimated by deaaron fox in college – but lonzos strength is his defense?
Ive been on the hate train since he was in college – the kid just doesnt have it
[–]Clippers clipperw2014 311 指標 1 天前
He’s also been injured for half the time he’s been in the league. The talent is there, he just hasn’t been given the time to develop.
Genuinely every draft analyst had him second. That’s not hype. His playmaking/vision was elite. He needs his own offense to catch up, but if it ever happens the reads will be there for him to make.
[–]Bucks 2OP4me 24 指標 1 天前
What you’re describing, at best, is a backup point guard.
Without scoring and defense he isn’t even that.
[–]whatweshouldcallyou 176 指標 1 天前
Vision in the open court is still elite. He’s a good rebounding guard. And he is a capable defender.
But the holes in his game are still gaping, and that is not encouraging with him in his third year.
[–]theperfectalt5 58 指標 1 天前
Honestly, it was obvious even in his rookie season that all his strengths were here to stay, but his weakness (shooting) would kick his ass and that he would never be a good player because of them.
He should have been shut down and sent to shooting rehab with Fultz for a year. If Lonzo was even an average shooter, he’d be fantastic. Unfortunately, he’s never changed his form
[–]Knicks brohymn 95 指標 1 天前
Problem isn’t just his shooting. Simmons can’t shoot for dick but he’s productive on the floor.
Problem with Lonzo is that he can’t run an offense to save his life. Still haven’t seen him run a proper pick and roll, his handles are still below par, he can’t finish at the rim, he often plays hot potato with the ball instead of actually running an offense.
He has a long ways to go and that’s still clear this season.
[–]Warriors r-n-m 43 指標 1 天前
Yeah, I feel like everyone assumes that just because he has good vision as a passer that he’s also good at running an offense. That’s just straight up not true. His problem is not just shooting, which is often the narrative. The holes in his game go much deeper than that, and I’m afraid he hasn’t improved in those aspects enough since getting drafted.
[–]604stt 7 指標 23小時前
He would be perfect in a run and gun 7 seconds or less type offence where he can find open guys on the wing. When it’s a half court game, his weakness are magnified by his lack of ability to score and organize a play.
I envision him at best to be a 6 man type PG who pushes the tempo with the bench to switch up the play style from the starters.
[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant exquisitopendejo 44 指標 1 天前
Dude a point guard that can’t play half court is basically useless.
[–]76ers YoungVilkas 9 指標 1 天前
Ben Simmons has entered the chat
[–][CHI] Kyle Korver idontknow_whatever 16 指標 1 天前
Simmons has better handles than Lonzo and can actually play bully-ball if he needs to.
[–]Lakers henryofclay 358 指標 1 天前
He had the talent and the vision, he just didn’t come through with the right mentality. Most of Lonzo’s issues are mental, from the 2 years I watched him on the Lakers.
When he played with confidence he can’t be stopped, but he rarely plays with confidence.
[–]Wavepops 80 指標 1 天前
"he can’t be stopped" i get your overall point but chill lol
[–]Lakers NotKemoSabe 14 指標 1 天前
This This This
Passive Lonzo was one of the worst players in the NBA.
Confident/Aggressive Lonzo was a very good player.
Not elite or superstar but very good.
[–]Lakers vino23 212 指標 1 天前
Yeah I agree. That second or third game he had with us against the Suns, when he had that monster triple double(I think it was like a 30/10/10 game) was like PEAK Lonzo confidence. I’ve never really seem him play that aggressively again.
All the noise and the constant injuries really derailed his mentality. He wasn’t as agressive offensively after his injuries, he always seemed in his head after every missed shot instead of brushing it off, and he never really had offseasons to improve because he was constantly injured.
Still think he can be a great talent though, he just needs to change his mentality.
[–]Lakers henryofclay 47 指標 1 天前
I feel like the mentality is the hardest obstacle to overcome, unfortunately.
[–][POR] Detlef Schrempf Frosti11icus 40 指標 1 天前
He had so much confidence at UCLA. I understand that’s big fish small pond, but there isn’t even a shred of that in him now.
[–]Lakers secretreddname 118 指標 1 天前
Imagine if he had his dad’s confidence. NEVA (woulda) LOST.
[–]Lakers fbdanzai 4 指標 1 天前
Westbrook is very confident in his 3s as well, but he’s still a bad shooter
[–]FUCK_BIEGA 18 指標 1 天前
I’m just a casual basketball fan so excuse me for being ignorant. I mainly watch hockey and in hockey if a player isn’t doing well/needs confidence, the team will send them to the minors. Can the pelicans send Lonzo to the G-League for a bit? Would his contract not allow that？
[–]Shark WithAFishinPole 48 指標 1 天前
Lol that would destroy him mentally even more. Being benched is enough. He isnt going to get better playing scrubs with worse coaches
[–]Nuggets Komeaga 54 指標 1 天前
Or we could talk about more tangible things. His shot is busted, not a surprise with that form. His handle is just ok, he has pretty average athleticism by NBA standards, and is a petty poor finisher. I’ll agree on not having an off-season, but the idea that if only his mentally was better is pretty BS.
[–]Lakers imperabo 7 指標 22小時前
Agreed. He needs skills. Skills breed confidence. He doesn’t drive to the rim because he can’t dribble through traffic. But everyone loves a psychology based narrative.
[–]Pelicans OO7th 73 指標 1 天前
“He’s Jason Kidd”
[–]nbamodssuckdick 45 指標 1 天前
Lonzo sits on the Pelicans bench like Jason Kidd on the Lakers bench so they are alike.
[–]Mavericks wreese13 127 指標 1 天前
I always love the videos in the summer "Lonzo’s shot looking good!" as he takes a pull up 20 footer on air.
[–]3PhaseAllDay 38 指標 1 天前
With an invisible defender on him
[–]rare144 168 指標 1 天前
Def one of the most overrated players in recent memory, he was drafted ahead of D Fox
[–]NBA erldn123 141 指標 1 天前
He was drafted ahead of everyone bar Fultz
So yea Tatum, Bam, Lauri, Mitchell, Collins etc.
[–][ATL] Lou Williams TraeYoungsBaldSpot 83 指標 1 天前
Lauri has been pretty terrible this year too, to be fair to Lonzo
[–]nemanjaC92 15 指標 1 天前
Lauri’s terrible is still way better than Lonzo has ever been.
[–]Bulls KD_42 45 指標 1 天前
Pretty sure Lauri’s been injured for most of the season and the bulls are keeping it low key
[–][SEA] Robert Swift eat_pray_thug 121 指標 1 天前
They should hold Jrue and trade Lonzo ASAP, while he still has that #2 overall shine and people still think he has upside. Always better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late, because everybody is going to realize he just sucks ass soon.
Although he’ll probably be on his 3rd or 4th team in a few years and fans will still say “low risk, high reward” when he goes to another new team.
[–]Raptors alexredekop 61 指標 1 天前
I think Lonzo could be out of the league in a couple of years.
[–]Bulls FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA 17 指標 1 天前
And his fans whoever they are still argued with me when I said Fultz is playing much better
[–]Thunder moneybooy 251 指標 1 天前
[–]NBA streyer 41 指標 1 天前
Not a bust as far as the Lakers are concerned, they got AD for him lol
[–]IMAGINE-USING-rNBA 470 指標 1 天前
“But he just needs a change of scenery”
[–]Coolios_Hair 374 指標 1 天前*
He went from a solid player in LA to an awful player in NOLA so clearly changing scenery can affect ur play
[–]Lakers DM_ME_UR_SOUL 109 指標 1 天前
Apparently he’s not playing PG so that doesn’t help his situation.
[–]Pelicans Matt_McT 38 指標 1 天前
He’s played point the last few games, and he clearly looks better. He’s still not great, though.
[–]Rockets LeBronBlackedAyesha 698 指標 1 天前
Lonzo will probably be nothing more than a good backup pg. A bust in terms of his draft expectations but still should have a fairly successful career.
[–]Pistons hurlcarl 15 指標 1 天前
I don’t think there’s any reason to assume he’ll be a ‘good’ backup at this point. And when your best case scenario is ‘good backup’ as a #2 pick, that’s def a bust.
[–]Clippers KeepinItRealGuy 16 指標 1 天前
He’s the new MCW.
[–]rev2643 93 指標 1 天前
How is he gonna be a good backup pg with such shitty numbers? You people keep talking him into being "good" when in reality he is not.
[–]Lakers RDDTchino 275 指標 1 天前
As an ex Zo stan, he a bust from his draft expectations
[–]Warriors uberdosage 24 指標 1 天前*
All the Lakers fans are ex Lonzo stans lol
[–]Lakers IllegalScreen 136 指標 1 天前
It was all a distraction to keep the goat PG Alexander The Great Caruso
[–]Lakers fanofpotatoes 44 指標 1 天前
He’s not even meeting this season’s expectations, which were lower than his draft expectations. I liked him in LA though and hope it’s just a rough year/bad team kinda thing.
[–]Redditaspropaganda 389 指標 1 天前
I doubt he makes for a good backup PG. He needs to actually be league average at finishing and shooting 3s.
[–][SAC] Kevin Martin km912 300 指標 1 天前
If he’s league average at finishing and shooting 3s then he’s a near all star level player because he’s really good at all the other aspects of basketball. His issue is he’s historically bad at all facets of scoring, if he was even below average at everything, say 45/35/70 slash line he’d be a pretty valuable player still.
[–]Drew BreesAteMyFamily 11 指標 1 天前
You say he’s good at all other aspects of basketball but he can’t drive for his life or shoot free throws. Scoring Wise, he provides absolutely nothing. Improved three point shooting won’t make him a near all star player.
[–]Knicks ThaiChiMate 198 指標 1 天前
He isn’t really a half court pg
His defense has regressed quite a lot
[–]Heat HelpfulCartographer 69 指標 1 天前
He isn’t a half-court PG because his scoring gets no respect, he has a good feel for the game in in half-court, can make some incredible plays and moves well within a set offense.
[–]Wavepops 79 指標 1 天前
half court pgs can drive into the paint and create in the pick and roll…lonzo can’t do that
[–]Wizards Threshorfeed 22 指標 1 天前
Maybe he can get strong and play like old Andre miller
[–]peppermintpattymills 24 指標 1 天前
He definitely does not have an old-man style guard game IMO. He doesn’t have that type of craftiness. He needs to study Rubio and Kidd religiously.
[–]Lakers oOoleveloOo 17 指標 1 天前
I thought at the very least he’d be Ricky Rubio. A guy who can set up others, but can’t score himself. Right now, I’d take Rubio over Ball.