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鲍尔本赛季表现低迷|昔日榜眼已沦落成水货?

【键盘侠】鲍尔本赛季表现低迷|昔日榜眼已沦落成水货?

Lonzo Ball is shooting 37% from the field, 33% from 3, 56% on free throws. The Pelicans are 2-18 when Lonzo plays, 4-4 when he doesn’t.

朗佐-鲍尔本赛季(12月19日之前)投篮命中率37%,三分命中率33%,罚球命中率56%。鲍尔出场鹈鹕2胜18负,他不打的时候鹈鹕4胜4负。

He’s averaging 10 points on 47 TS% to go with 5 ast and 4 reb with a -12 NET RTG.

I was almost fooled by the first few games of the season where Lonzo was shooting 80% from the free throw line and looked more efficient from 3. He has regressed in every statistic as the season has carried on and been relegated to the bench.

His biggest problem is still lack of aggression and confidence to get into the paint and be a scoring threat.

Do you see the Pelicans holding onto him to avoid "selling low" or potentially cutting their losses and trading him? I do think having Zion back will help him in a way, but there are still huge holes in his game that he needs to figure out ASAP.

他目前场均10分5助4板,真实命中率47%,净效率值-12.

我差点被赛季初的头几场比赛给糊弄了,当时他罚球命中率一度高达80%,而且三分感觉也更高效。随着赛季的进行,他每项数据统计都退步了,而且已经沦为替补。

他最大的问题还是缺乏攻击性和冲击内线制造得分的信心。

你觉得鹈鹕是会留着他避免“低价出售”呢?还是可能会为了止损送走他?我真觉得锡安回来后会对鲍尔有帮助,不过他仍然有很大的短板,必须得尽早解决!

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[–][ATL] Paul Millsap Jfklikeskfc 2577 指標 1 天前

Magic really thought this guy was gonna break his records lol

老鹰球迷:魔术师当初是真觉得这孩子能打破自己的各种记录,哈哈哈

[–]Lakers vino23 1130 指標 1 天前

Just another one of Magic’s terrible takes to add to the collection

湖人球迷:魔术师张口就来又被打脸了一次

[–]Lakers fbdanzai 11 指標 1 天前*

It’s a misunderstanding, Magic meant broke all his worst records

湖人球迷:是你们误解了魔术师,他是说鲍尔会打破他最差的记录。

[–]NBA name_taken09 58 指標 1 天前

It’s reported that Magic wanted Fox, Jeannie Buss wanted Lonzo

据媒体说,魔术师当初想要的是福克斯,是珍妮-巴斯想要鲍尔

[–]maynardjamesheyman 73 指標 1 天前

Fox hung 39 on Lonzo’s ass in the tournament and held him to 10 pts.

福克斯来NBA之前在NCAA曾在鲍尔头上砍下39分,而鲍尔只得到10分。

[–]Australia hello_taraa 89 指標 1 天前

A day after Lonzos mother almost died. I don’t put much value in that game

澳大利亚球迷:那场比赛之前一天鲍尔他妈差点死了,我觉得那场比赛没多大参考价值。

[–]Cavaliers Bandwagon Oaty_McOatface 411 指標 1 天前

Projected #2 pick

He was everyone’s vision

骑士球迷:鲍尔本就是大家预计中的榜眼。

大家当时都是这么觉得得吧

[–]ModeratorsareLosers 259 指標 1 天前

No he wasnt. Only people that buy into hype did. He got decimated by deaaron fox in college – but lonzos strength is his defense?

Ive been on the hate train since he was in college – the kid just doesnt have it

并不是。只有那些相信炒作的人才这么觉得。他在大学就被福克斯碾压了,可是鲍尔的长处在于防守?

自打他在大学打球起,我就一直是个球黑——这孩子就是没那个本事。

[–]Clippers clipperw2014 311 指標 1 天前

He’s also been injured for half the time he’s been in the league. The talent is there, he just hasn’t been given the time to develop.

Genuinely every draft analyst had him second. That’s not hype. His playmaking/vision was elite. He needs his own offense to catch up, but if it ever happens the reads will be there for him to make.

快船球迷:他进联盟之后有一半的时间都是与伤病为伍。天赋还是有的,只是他没有足够的时间成长。

当时确实是每个选秀分析师都把他排在第二。那可不是炒作。他的组织能力和视野是顶级的。他需要加强进攻。

[–]Bucks 2OP4me 24 指標 1 天前

What you’re describing, at best, is a backup point guard.

Without scoring and defense he isn’t even that.

雄鹿球迷:就你的描述来看,他充其量能做个替补控卫。

可要是没有得分和防守,他甚至连个替补控卫也混不上。

[–]whatweshouldcallyou 176 指標 1 天前

Vision in the open court is still elite. He’s a good rebounding guard. And he is a capable defender.

But the holes in his game are still gaping, and that is not encouraging with him in his third year.

他的场上视野仍然是顶级的,他是个很棒的篮板后卫,而且能防。

不过他的短板还是很明显,他这都进入联盟第三年了,不应该啊。

[–]theperfectalt5 58 指標 1 天前

Honestly, it was obvious even in his rookie season that all his strengths were here to stay, but his weakness (shooting) would kick his ass and that he would never be a good player because of them.

He should have been shut down and sent to shooting rehab with Fultz for a year. If Lonzo was even an average shooter, he’d be fantastic. Unfortunately, he’s never changed his form

讲真,他的优势在处子赛季就是这些了,不过他的弱点(投篮)会搞死他的,就因为这点,他永远也成不了一个好球员。

应该让他先别打比赛了,像富尔茨一样送到投篮训练营练一年。如果鲍尔的投射能达到平均水准,那他会很不错。不幸的是,他的手型一直没变。

[–]Knicks brohymn 95 指標 1 天前

Problem isn’t just his shooting. Simmons can’t shoot for dick but he’s productive on the floor.

Problem with Lonzo is that he can’t run an offense to save his life. Still haven’t seen him run a proper pick and roll, his handles are still below par, he can’t finish at the rim, he often plays hot potato with the ball instead of actually running an offense.

He has a long ways to go and that’s still clear this season.

尼克斯球迷:他的问题不只是投篮啊。西蒙斯投篮也抓瞎,可是他在场上是有输出的啊。

鲍尔的问题在于他不能组织进攻啊。到现在都没看过他组织一次像样的挡拆,他的控球还在水准线之下,没有篮下终结能力,球到了他手里经常出问题,而不是形成有效的战术套路。

他麻烦还大着呢,这一点这个赛季仍然很明显。

[–]Warriors r-n-m 43 指標 1 天前

Yeah, I feel like everyone assumes that just because he has good vision as a passer that he’s also good at running an offense. That’s just straight up not true. His problem is not just shooting, which is often the narrative. The holes in his game go much deeper than that, and I’m afraid he hasn’t improved in those aspects enough since getting drafted.

勇士球迷:是啊,我觉得很多人都错误地以为,就因为他作为一个传球手的视野很出色,就意味着他善于梳理进攻。这完全不对。他的问题不只是大家常说的投篮。他在比赛中暴露的缺点比这大得多得多,而且我觉得自从进入NBA之后他这些弱点就没有得到任何改正。

[–]604stt 7 指標 23小時前

He would be perfect in a run and gun 7 seconds or less type offence where he can find open guys on the wing. When it’s a half court game, his weakness are magnified by his lack of ability to score and organize a play.

I envision him at best to be a 6 man type PG who pushes the tempo with the bench to switch up the play style from the starters.

要是组织7秒以内的跑轰进攻,那他是完美的,因为他能找到侧翼的空位队友。可要是落入半场阵地,他的短板就被放大了,因为他没有得分和组织的能力。

我觉得他最多能成为那种第六人空位,替补出场推进节奏,转换球队的打法。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant exquisitopendejo 44 指標 1 天前

Dude a point guard that can’t play half court is basically useless.

湖人球迷:老铁,一个不能打半场进攻的控卫基本没用啊

[–]76ers YoungVilkas 9 指標 1 天前

Ben Simmons has entered the chat

76人球迷:西蒙斯进入了群聊

[–][CHI] Kyle Korver idontknow_whatever 16 指標 1 天前

Simmons has better handles than Lonzo and can actually play bully-ball if he needs to.

公牛球迷:西蒙斯的控球比鲍尔厉害,而且有必要的话,他还真能欺负对手。

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[–]Lakers henryofclay 358 指標 1 天前

He had the talent and the vision, he just didn’t come through with the right mentality. Most of Lonzo’s issues are mental, from the 2 years I watched him on the Lakers.

When he played with confidence he can’t be stopped, but he rarely plays with confidence.

湖人球迷:他有那个天赋和视野,只是他的心态不好。就我过去两年看他在湖人的表现来说,鲍尔的大部分问题都是源自心态。

当他信心满满时,就是不可阻挡的,不过他很少打出信心。

[–]Wavepops 80 指標 1 天前

"he can’t be stopped" i get your overall point but chill lol

“就是不可阻挡的”,我懂你意思,不过也别夸张啊,哈哈

[–]Lakers NotKemoSabe 14 指標 1 天前

This This This

Passive Lonzo was one of the worst players in the NBA.

Confident/Aggressive Lonzo was a very good player.

Not elite or superstar but very good.

湖人球迷:对对对,消极的鲍尔是联盟最菜球员之一。

有信心和侵略性的鲍尔是个很强的球员。

虽算不上顶级或者是超巨,不过也很厉害了。

[–]Lakers vino23 212 指標 1 天前

Yeah I agree. That second or third game he had with us against the Suns, when he had that monster triple double(I think it was like a 30/10/10 game) was like PEAK Lonzo confidence. I’ve never really seem him play that aggressively again.

All the noise and the constant injuries really derailed his mentality. He wasn’t as agressive offensively after his injuries, he always seemed in his head after every missed shot instead of brushing it off, and he never really had offseasons to improve because he was constantly injured.

Still think he can be a great talent though, he just needs to change his mentality.

湖人球迷:是的,我同意。他在湖人的第二还是第三场比赛打太阳的时候,打出了猛兽般的准三双(我记得大概是30+10+10),那可是他信心爆棚的时候。可是此后,我再也没看过他打得那么有侵略性了。

各种场外杂音和持续不断的伤病确实打击了他的心态。他受伤后进攻端不再有侵略性,每次投篮打铁后总是耿耿于怀,而且他也从未有过一个好好的休赛期去提升自我,因为他老是受伤。

不过我仍然觉得他很有天赋,只是他需要调整心态了。

[–]Lakers henryofclay 47 指標 1 天前

I feel like the mentality is the hardest obstacle to overcome, unfortunately.

湖人球迷:不幸的是,我觉得心态是最难克服的障碍。

[–][POR] Detlef Schrempf Frosti11icus 40 指標 1 天前

He had so much confidence at UCLA. I understand that’s big fish small pond, but there isn’t even a shred of that in him now.

开拓者球迷:他以前在UCLA的时候信心很猛的。我知道当时的他算是小池塘里的大鱼,不过现在的他甚至一点当初的风采都没了。

[–]Lakers secretreddname 118 指標 1 天前

Imagine if he had his dad’s confidence. NEVA (woulda) LOST.

湖人球迷:假如他有他爸那种自信就好了。永远不败!!!

[–]Lakers fbdanzai 4 指標 1 天前

Westbrook is very confident in his 3s as well, but he’s still a bad shooter

湖人球迷:威少对自己的三分也很有自信啊,可他的投篮还是很差。

[–]FUCK_BIEGA 18 指標 1 天前

I’m just a casual basketball fan so excuse me for being ignorant. I mainly watch hockey and in hockey if a player isn’t doing well/needs confidence, the team will send them to the minors. Can the pelicans send Lonzo to the G-League for a bit? Would his contract not allow that?

我就是个伪篮球迷啊,所以要是傲慢无知的话,多担待啊。我主要看曲棍球,如果某个球员打得不好或者是需要信心,那球队就会把他送到初级赛事去。鹈鹕就不能把鲍尔送到发展联盟去打一段吗?是他的合同不允许吗?

[–]Shark WithAFishinPole 48 指標 1 天前

Lol that would destroy him mentally even more. Being benched is enough. He isnt going to get better playing scrubs with worse coaches

哈哈哈,那样就会对他的心态造成更大的打击。让他打替补就够了。他去和一帮菜鸡一起在水平更菜的教练手下打球,不会变强的。

[–]Nuggets Komeaga 54 指標 1 天前

Or we could talk about more tangible things. His shot is busted, not a surprise with that form. His handle is just ok, he has pretty average athleticism by NBA standards, and is a petty poor finisher. I’ll agree on not having an off-season, but the idea that if only his mentally was better is pretty BS.

掘金球迷:要不咱就聊些更看得见的东西。他的投篮稀烂,毕竟那种手型也不奇怪。他的控球马马虎虎,按照NBA标准来看,他的运动能力平平,而且终结能力很菜。至于说他没有一个健康的休赛期,这个我同意。不过你要说他只要调整心态就能变强,纯粹扯淡。

[–]Lakers imperabo 7 指標 22小時前

Agreed. He needs skills. Skills breed confidence. He doesn’t drive to the rim because he can’t dribble through traffic. But everyone loves a psychology based narrative.

湖人球迷:同意。他需要技术。有能力才能激发信心。他不杀篮下,是因为他运球过不了人堆。不过人人都喜欢拿心理学说事儿。

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【键盘侠】鲍尔本赛季表现低迷|昔日榜眼已沦落成水货?

[–]Pelicans OO7th 73 指標 1 天前

“He’s Jason Kidd”

鹈鹕球迷:“他是下一个基德”

[–]nbamodssuckdick 45 指標 1 天前

Lonzo sits on the Pelicans bench like Jason Kidd on the Lakers bench so they are alike.

鲍尔坐在鹈鹕替补席上的样子就像基德坐在湖人替补席上,所以他们很像。

[–]Mavericks wreese13 127 指標 1 天前

I always love the videos in the summer "Lonzo’s shot looking good!" as he takes a pull up 20 footer on air.

独行侠球迷:夏天那会儿有各种视频说“鲍尔的投篮看着很不错啊”!就因为他进了个20英尺外的跳投,真把我逗乐了

[–]3PhaseAllDay 38 指標 1 天前

With an invisible defender on him

他面前还有个隐身的防守人。

[–]rare144 168 指標 1 天前

Def one of the most overrated players in recent memory, he was drafted ahead of D Fox

他肯定是近年来最被高估的球员之一,居然选秀排名还在福克斯之前……

[–]NBA erldn123 141 指標 1 天前

He was drafted ahead of everyone bar Fultz

So yea Tatum, Bam, Lauri, Mitchell, Collins etc.

他的选秀排名比富尔茨之外的每个人都高

还有塔图姆、阿德巴约、卡尔马宁、米切尔、柯林斯等等。

[–][ATL] Lou Williams TraeYoungsBaldSpot 83 指標 1 天前

Lauri has been pretty terrible this year too, to be fair to Lonzo

老鹰球迷:卡尔马宁这赛季打得也是稀烂啊

[–]nemanjaC92 15 指標 1 天前

Lauri’s terrible is still way better than Lonzo has ever been.

他打得稀烂也比鲍尔强很多。

[–]Bulls KD_42 45 指標 1 天前

Pretty sure Lauri’s been injured for most of the season and the bulls are keeping it low key

公牛球迷:卡尔马宁大多数时候都是有伤的,公牛只是低调处理而已。

[–][SEA] Robert Swift eat_pray_thug 121 指標 1 天前

They should hold Jrue and trade Lonzo ASAP, while he still has that #2 overall shine and people still think he has upside. Always better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late, because everybody is going to realize he just sucks ass soon.

Although he’ll probably be on his 3rd or 4th team in a few years and fans will still say “low risk, high reward” when he goes to another new team.

超音速球迷:鹈鹕应该留住霍勒迪,尽早送走鲍尔,趁着他还有点榜眼秀的光环,有些人还觉得他有潜力可挖。最好是趁早送走,毕竟大家很快就能意识到他很水了。

不过他或许几年内或再去个一两支球队,球迷们到时候还是会说这笔交易“低风险高回报”

[–]Raptors alexredekop 61 指標 1 天前

I think Lonzo could be out of the league in a couple of years.

猛龙球迷:我觉得鲍尔几年后就淡出联盟了

[–]Bulls FIVE_DARRA_NO_HARRA 17 指標 1 天前

And his fans whoever they are still argued with me when I said Fultz is playing much better

公牛球迷:我说富尔茨比他打得好很多的时候,他的球迷居然还和我争……

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[–]Thunder moneybooy 251 指標 1 天前

Bust

雷霆球迷:水货!

[–]NBA streyer 41 指標 1 天前

Not a bust as far as the Lakers are concerned, they got AD for him lol

站在湖人的角度来说他不算水货,毕竟靠他得到了戴维斯,哈哈哈哈

[–]IMAGINE-USING-rNBA 470 指標 1 天前

“But he just needs a change of scenery”

“可是他只需要换个环境就好”

[–]Coolios_Hair 374 指標 1 天前*

He went from a solid player in LA to an awful player in NOLA so clearly changing scenery can affect ur play

他从湖人时期的还行到了鹈鹕时期的稀烂,所以很显然,环境的改变确实能影响你的表现

[–]Lakers DM_ME_UR_SOUL 109 指標 1 天前

Apparently he’s not playing PG so that doesn’t help his situation.

湖人球迷:他明显在鹈鹕没打控卫啊,所以这个没帮上忙

[–]Pelicans Matt_McT 38 指標 1 天前

He’s played point the last few games, and he clearly looks better. He’s still not great, though.

鹈鹕球迷:他过去几场打的是控卫,确实好点。不过还是不咋地。

[–]Rockets LeBronBlackedAyesha 698 指標 1 天前

Lonzo will probably be nothing more than a good backup pg. A bust in terms of his draft expectations but still should have a fairly successful career.

火箭球迷:也许鲍尔以后充其量就是个好的替补控卫。就当初的选秀期望值来说,是个水货,不过应该还是会有一个相对成功的职业生涯。

[–]Pistons hurlcarl 15 指標 1 天前

I don’t think there’s any reason to assume he’ll be a ‘good’ backup at this point. And when your best case scenario is ‘good backup’ as a #2 pick, that’s def a bust.

活塞球迷:我觉得就眼下来说,没任何理由认为他会成为一个好的替补。而且你作为一个榜眼,最强的境遇居然只是个“好替补”,那绝对是水货啊

[–]Clippers KeepinItRealGuy 16 指標 1 天前

He’s the new MCW.

快船球迷:他就是新的迈卡威。

[–]rev2643 93 指標 1 天前

How is he gonna be a good backup pg with such shitty numbers? You people keep talking him into being "good" when in reality he is not.

数据这么垃圾,他凭啥做好替补控卫?你们老师说他会变优秀,现实则不然。

[–]Lakers RDDTchino 275 指標 1 天前

As an ex Zo stan, he a bust from his draft expectations

湖人球迷:作为一个前鲍尔铁粉,对比选秀期望,他就是个水货

[–]Warriors uberdosage 24 指標 1 天前*

All the Lakers fans are ex Lonzo stans lol

勇士球迷:所有湖蜜都是前鲍尔铁粉,哈哈哈

[–]Lakers IllegalScreen 136 指標 1 天前

It was all a distraction to keep the goat PG Alexander The Great Caruso

湖人球迷:吹他只是我们为了留下史上最强控卫伟大的卡鲁索的障眼法

[–]Lakers fanofpotatoes 44 指標 1 天前

He’s not even meeting this season’s expectations, which were lower than his draft expectations. I liked him in LA though and hope it’s just a rough year/bad team kinda thing.

湖人球迷:鲍尔甚至都没兑现这赛季外界的期望,这可比选秀期望低。不过我喜欢在洛杉矶的他,希望这只是他暂时的不顺。

[–]Redditaspropaganda 389 指標 1 天前

I doubt he makes for a good backup PG. He needs to actually be league average at finishing and shooting 3s.

对于他能成为一个不错的替补控卫这种说法,我持怀疑态度。他真得将自己的终结能力和三分提升到平均线。

[–][SAC] Kevin Martin km912 300 指標 1 天前

If he’s league average at finishing and shooting 3s then he’s a near all star level player because he’s really good at all the other aspects of basketball. His issue is he’s historically bad at all facets of scoring, if he was even below average at everything, say 45/35/70 slash line he’d be a pretty valuable player still.

国王球迷:要真能这样,那他接近全明星水准了,因为他其他方面确实挺不错的。他的问题在于各种得分能力都稀烂,如果他的三项命中率能有45%、35%和70%,那都是个很有价值的球员了。

[–]Drew BreesAteMyFamily 11 指標 1 天前

You say he’s good at all other aspects of basketball but he can’t drive for his life or shoot free throws. Scoring Wise, he provides absolutely nothing. Improved three point shooting won’t make him a near all star player.

你说他其他各方面都很强,不过他不会运球也不会罚球啊。就得分来说,毫无贡献。即便提升了三分也不会让他接近全明星水平。

[–]Knicks ThaiChiMate 198 指標 1 天前

He isn’t really a half court pg

His defense has regressed quite a lot

尼克斯球迷:他真不是个打半场的控卫。

防守也退步了很多

[–]Heat HelpfulCartographer 69 指標 1 天前

He isn’t a half-court PG because his scoring gets no respect, he has a good feel for the game in in half-court, can make some incredible plays and moves well within a set offense.

热火球迷:他不是个半场控卫那是因为他的得分能力没人在意,他半场进攻的感觉还是不错的,能有些不错的表现,而且在进攻体系下的跑动也不错。

[–]Wavepops 79 指標 1 天前

half court pgs can drive into the paint and create in the pick and roll…lonzo can’t do that

半场阵地的控卫能带球杀内线,通过挡拆创造机会……鲍尔不行啊

[–]Wizards Threshorfeed 22 指標 1 天前

Maybe he can get strong and play like old Andre miller

奇才球迷:或许他可以长壮些,像晚期安德烈-米勒那样打球

[–]peppermintpattymills 24 指標 1 天前

He definitely does not have an old-man style guard game IMO. He doesn’t have that type of craftiness. He needs to study Rubio and Kidd religiously.

我觉得他肯定没有那种养生型控卫的打法。他没那么灵光啊。他得学习卢比奥和基德。

[–]Lakers oOoleveloOo 17 指標 1 天前

I thought at the very least he’d be Ricky Rubio. A guy who can set up others, but can’t score himself. Right now, I’d take Rubio over Ball.

湖人球迷:我以前觉得他至少能成为卢比奥。可以为他人做嫁衣,但是自己不能得分。现在呢,我觉得卢比奥比鲍尔强。

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